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Discussion Topic: B10 Pre-seeds
Jim Kessen added to this discussion on February 28, 2017
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Discussion Topic: B10 Pre-seeds
Steve Durose added to this discussion on February 28, 2017
So one half of the 184 bracket will have Nickal(NCAA runner-up), Martin(NCAA champion), and Dudley(NCAA runner-up), and the other half will have Brooks, Jackson, and Emery Parker.
Seems legit.
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Discussion Topic: B10 Pre-seeds
Mark Niemann added to this discussion on February 28, 2017
The guys from The Inside Trip recently released a podcast about this. Check it out.
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Discussion Topic: B10 Pre-seeds
Brady Hiatt added to this discussion on February 28, 2017
Quote from Steve Durose's post:
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"So one half of the 184 bracket will have Nickal(NCAA runner-up), Martin(NCAA champion), and Dudley(NCAA runner-up), and the other half will have Brooks, Jackson, and Emery Parker.
Seems legit."
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Yeah -- strange seeding. I'm not up on their current seasons. Anybody explain why seeds would be like this?
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Discussion Topic: B10 Pre-seeds
Matt Mace added to this discussion on March 1, 2017
Well clearly Nickal deserves the #1.
The question is how do you stack the 2-5? Brooks,Jackson, Dudley and Martin.
#2 Brooks has had a great season only losing to Nickal and Jackson.
#3 Jackson is 28-2 with wins over Parker and Gravina, split with Brooks and only other loss to Dudley
#4 Myles has lost mostly close matches to Nickal, Gabe Dean x2, Brooks, Zavatsky and Dechow with quality wins over Dudley,Parker and Gravina
#5 Dudley beating Jackson, Parker and Dechow and lost to Nickal and Myles.
In my opinion it is tough to argue that Brooks and Jackson don't deserve the 2 and 3. Exchanging 4 and 5 is mostly irrelevant.
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Discussion Topic: B10 Pre-seeds
Brady Hiatt added to this discussion on March 1, 2017
Quote from Matt Mace's post:
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"Well clearly Nickal deserves the #1.
The question is how do you stack the 2-5? Brooks,Jackson, Dudley and Martin.
#2 Brooks has had a great season only losing to Nickal and Jackson.
#3 Jackson is 28-2 with Parker and Gravina, split with Brooks and only other loss to Dudley
#4 Myles has lost mostly close matches to Nickal, Gabe Dean x2, Brooks, Zavatsky and Dechow with quality wins over Dudley,Parker and Gravina
#5 Dudley beating Jackson, Parker and Dechow and lost to Nickal and Myles.
In my opinion it is tough to argue that Brooks and Jackson don't deserve the 2 and 3. Exchanging 4 and 5 is mostly irrelevant."
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Based on this, how can Dudley be below Jackson?
My opinion: Nickel, Brooks, Myles, Dudley, then Jackson. Value their matches against each other much much much higher as this IS a tournament for only B1G teams.
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Discussion Topic: B10 Pre-seeds
Brady Hiatt added to this discussion on March 1, 2017
An idea. Tom Ryan talks about making duals valuable by tying into NCAA's individual scoring. I'm not a fan of that.
How about treating "didn't wrestle" in dual as a loss. Obviously not on their record but for seeding purposes. No more - DNW to protect seeds crap.
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Discussion Topic: B10 Pre-seeds
Mark Cummings added to this discussion on March 1, 2017
I'd seed Jackson below Myles. I know last year is different than this year but Myles handled him 4 times last year.
Coach, is there a way to implement your suggestion while still accounting for wrestlers missing a dual due to substantial injury?
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Discussion Topic: B10 Pre-seeds
Matt Mace added to this discussion on March 1, 2017
Keep in mind, these are only the pre-seeds. I think these are a result of the coaches votes. There is still some wiggle room/negotiating going on.
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Discussion Topic: B10 Pre-seeds
Ben Watson added to this discussion on March 1, 2017
Quote from Brady Hiatt's post:
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"
Quote from Matt Mace's post:
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"Well clearly Nickal deserves the #1.
The question is how do you stack the 2-5? Brooks,Jackson, Dudley and Martin.
#2 Brooks has had a great season only losing to Nickal and Jackson.
#3 Jackson is 28-2 with Parker and Gravina, split with Brooks and only other loss to Dudley
#4 Myles has lost mostly close matches to Nickal, Gabe Dean x2, Brooks, Zavatsky and Dechow with quality wins over Dudley,Parker and Gravina
#5 Dudley beating Jackson, Parker and Dechow and lost to Nickal and Myles.
In my opinion it is tough to argue that Brooks and Jackson don't deserve the 2 and 3. Exchanging 4 and 5 is mostly irrelevant."
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Based on this, how can Dudley be below Jackson?
My opinion: Nickel, Brooks, Myles, Dudley, then Jackson. Value their matches against each other much much much higher as this IS a tournament for only B1G teams."
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I think the biggest obstacle to MyMar's seed is his loss to Dechow. The committee really had to split the baby here - MyMar beat Dudley who beat Jackson. But, Jackson beat Brooks and doesn't have as many losses as MyMar.
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Discussion Topic: B10 Pre-seeds
Jim Kessen added to this discussion on March 1, 2017
Just for giggles I went on PSU form and they have their 165 beating IMAR and all of them have Hall beating Bo. They also described K. Moore style as conservative and think he will buckle under the big lights of the B10 and NCAA.
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Discussion Topic: B10 Pre-seeds
Ben Watson added to this discussion on March 3, 2017
Quote from James Kessen's post:
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"Just for giggles I went on PSU form and they have their 165 beating IMAR and all of them have Hall beating Bo. They also described K. Moore style as conservative and think he will buckle under the big lights of the B10 and NCAA."
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I did the same thing (much to the demise of my levelheadedness)
I just can't see Imar losing this year, period. If anyone is going to beat him, I don't think it's Chenzo.
Anyone that calls Moore's style conservative is literally just making things up. He is the opposite to a fault at times - see the two takedowns he gave up against McCutcheon.
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