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Discussion Topic: OSU vs. Missouri
Curt Heinrichs added to this discussion on December 10, 2015
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[quote="Michael Rodriguez" Logan Stieber could absolutely compete his freshman year. He was a sure fire All American...but now he's an All Time great because he took a year to build his body and skill set. Would you have traded Logan Stieber's true freshman year for his red-shirt senior?
Am I alone on this?[/quote]
If I remember correctly, Logan broke his wrist after competing a few times as a true freshman, so his redshirt would have been due to injury.
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Discussion Topic: OSU vs. Missouri
Michael Rodriguez added to this discussion on December 10, 2015
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Quote from Curt Heinrichs's post:
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"[quote="Michael Rodriguez" Logan Stieber could absolutely compete his freshman year. He was a sure fire All American...but now he's an All Time great because he took a year to build his body and skill set. Would you have traded Logan Stieber's true freshman year for his red-shirt senior?
Am I alone on this?"
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If I remember correctly, Logan broke his wrist after competing a few times as a true freshman, so his redshirt would have been due to injury.[/quote]
That's my point, Coach Ryan and his staff were FORCED to do the right thing by Stieber's injury. I bet if they were honest, they would say that they were thinking, "this kid is special. He's right there. He's gonna All American this year...maybe even sneak into the finals". While all of that was true and would've been an incredible freshman year by almost all standards, sitting a year was the better call. Hard to argue anything else.
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Discussion Topic: OSU vs. Missouri
Hank Kornblut added to this discussion on December 10, 2015
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Mike: I think Myles Martin is special. Same for Hayes. I'd prefer that both redshirt.
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Discussion Topic: OSU vs. Missouri
Mark Niemann added to this discussion on December 10, 2015
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Quote from Hank Kornblut's post:
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"Mike: I think Myles Martin is special. Same for Hayes. I'd prefer that both redshirt."
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That makes three! But, in the end, it's up to Coach Ryan & Co.
That would be sweet if they won it this year, next year, and then again in #Cleveland in 2018. Sandwiches on Hank if that happens!!!!!!!
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Discussion Topic: OSU vs. Missouri
Chris Thomas added to this discussion on December 10, 2015
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I like the call if Hunter comes back health. Snyder, Palmer, and Hunter didn't redshirt as true freshman and it worked out. I think Myles has shown he has the ability to make a major impact right away. BoJo's actions illustrates the selflessness and the strong character Tom Ryan has built for the program. Go Bucks!
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Discussion Topic: OSU vs. Missouri
Dwight LeRoy added to this discussion on December 10, 2015
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I've heard Tom Ryan say that if he believes that a true freshman can finish top 4, he would seriously consider removing the redshirt.
After running last years NCAA numbers, the difference between not AAing and 4th place is double digits. If Ryan believes that Stieber will be 110% in March, I can see the argument for pulling Myles Martin redshirt, otherwise I wouldn't do it. The last couple of years have been rough for Hunter and I just don't see him returning at full strength but I hope I'm wrong.
Finish Average
1st 23.80
2nd 18.05
3rd 16.60
4th 13.95
5th 12.00
6th 10.00
7th 8.50
8th 6.05
Rd 12 3.00
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Discussion Topic: OSU vs. Missouri
Hank Kornblut added to this discussion on December 10, 2015
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I love facts. Especially sensible ones. Those are great numbers to ponder Dwight. Quantifies why you would or wouldn't pull a redshirt.
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Discussion Topic: OSU vs. Missouri
Chris Shepherd added to this discussion on December 10, 2015
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Quote from Hank Kornblut's post:
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"I love facts. Especially sensible ones. Those are great numbers to ponder Dwight. Quantifies why you would or wouldn't pull a redshirt."
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Agreed. But what is the point differential (on average) of the top 3 teams over the past decade or so? I think that is what they are looking at.
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Discussion Topic: OSU vs. Missouri
Dwight LeRoy added to this discussion on December 10, 2015
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Quote from Chris Shepherd's post:
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Quote from Hank Kornblut's post:
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"I love facts. Especially sensible ones. Those are great numbers to ponder Dwight. Quantifies why you would or wouldn't pull a redshirt."
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Agreed. But what is the point differential (on average) of the top 3 teams over the past decade or so? I think that is what they are looking at."
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I have those numbers for the top 2, who cares about top 3,lol
Year 1st 2nd Pts dif
2015 102 84 18
2014 109.5 104 5.5
2013 123.5 119.5 4
2012 143 117.5 25.5
2011 103.5 89.5 14
2010 134.5 90 44.5
2009 96.5 92 4.5
2008 117.5 79 38.5
2007 98 88.5 9.5
2006 122.5 84 38.5
2005 153 83 70
Avg per yr 24.77
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Discussion Topic: OSU vs. Missouri
Chris Shepherd added to this discussion on December 10, 2015
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Quote from Dwight LeRoy's post:
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Quote from Chris Shepherd's post:
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Quote from Hank Kornblut's post:
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"I love facts. Especially sensible ones. Those are great numbers to ponder Dwight. Quantifies why you would or wouldn't pull a redshirt."
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Agreed. But what is the point differential (on average) of the top 3 teams over the past decade or so? I think that is what they are looking at."
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I have those numbers for the top 2, who cares about top 3,lol
Year 1st 2nd Pts dif
2015 102 84 18
2014 109.5 104 5.5
2013 123.5 119.5 4
2012 143 117.5 25.5
2011 103.5 89.5 14
2010 134.5 90 44.5
2009 96.5 92 4.5
2008 117.5 79 38.5
2007 98 88.5 9.5
2006 122.5 84 38.5
2005 153 83 70
Avg per yr 24.77"
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And THAT is why he's Dwight from State Farm!!! :)
So, with the composition of the top teams that will be battling for an NCAA title this season, do you see the difference between 1st and 2nd place being almost 25 points this season?
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Discussion Topic: OSU vs. Missouri
Mike Cook added to this discussion on December 10, 2015
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Considering what Hunter did for tOSU last year and the fact that this is his senior year....GO FOR IT !!!
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Discussion Topic: OSU vs. Missouri
Michael Rodriguez added to this discussion on December 10, 2015
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So, if I'm understanding those numbers right, the Buckeyes will get 3.0 points if Martin is a round of twelve guy? Are three points worth the year? And if not, are you saying in order for it to be a good red-shirt pull he'd have to All American...or even top four? That's a pretty high expectation for a tru-frosh...one very few have ever achieved for tOSU.
To me, those numbers are the reason to keep him in red-shirt, not pull him out.
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Discussion Topic: OSU vs. Missouri
Jim Kessen added to this discussion on December 10, 2015
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Recent TRUE FROSH AA's For the Bucks! J.D. Bergman, L. Palmer-4th, C. Tessari-4th, H. Stieber-6th, K. Snyder-2nd!
This tweet by WrestlingBucks makes me think they are pulling the RS
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Discussion Topic: OSU vs. Missouri
Justin Hayes added to this discussion on December 10, 2015
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Quote from Dwight LeRoy's post:
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"I've heard Tom Ryan say that if he believes that a true freshman can finish top 4, he would seriously consider removing the redshirt."
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Was TR driving the coaching staff Suburban when he brought this up to you or were you guys catching a quick breakfast at Denny's, Dwight from State Farm? :)
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Discussion Topic: OSU vs. Missouri
Jack Muni added to this discussion on December 10, 2015
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Quote from Michael Rodriguez's post:
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"So, if I'm understanding those numbers right, the Buckeyes will get 3.0 points if Martin is a round of twelve guy? Are three points worth the year? And if not, are you saying in order for it to be a good red-shirt pull he'd have to All American...or even top four? That's a pretty high expectation for a tru-frosh...one very few have ever achieved for tOSU.
To me, those numbers are the reason to keep him in red-shirt, not pull him out."
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Michael, I don't always agree with you, but I'm with you on this one. I think history (NCAA history, not just OSU) favors the RS.
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