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Discussion Topic: Big Tens
Cory Surles added to this discussion on February 22, 2015
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Ok....On to Big Tens!!! Anybody know when seeds will be release? (Saturday?) Bo number 1 seed??? Where will Delgado be seeded??? Can Tomasello finally beat Gilman?? Where is Hubter seeded?? Is courts actually a top 3 seed @184???
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Discussion Topic: Big Tens
Jim Kessen added to this discussion on February 22, 2015
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I was curious on how they do the seeding. Is it based off last years results or based off of this years?
Side note I. Jordan was pinned today by Moreno from Iowa State.
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Discussion Topic: Big Tens
Jack Muni added to this discussion on February 22, 2015
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So this weekend Jordan gets pinned, add to that Ness loses, Delgado loses, Gilman lost twice & Garret loses, wow! Crazy.
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Discussion Topic: Big Tens
William Danforth added to this discussion on February 23, 2015
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Quote from James Kessen's post:
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"I was curious on how they do the seeding. Is it based off last years results or based off of this years?
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Coaches vote/ranking determine seeds.
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Discussion Topic: Big Tens
Jim Kessen added to this discussion on February 23, 2015
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Here is my wild guess. Questions, Comments Snide remarks.
125
Gillman #1
Nate #2
Delgado #3
Conaway #4
Lambert #5
Youtsey #6
133
Dardanes #1
Taylor #2
Guilbon #3
Clark #4
Johnni #5
Richards #6
Bruno #7
Sabatello #8
Devellchio #9
Malone #10
141
Logan #1
Dardanes #2
Dwieza #3
Abidin #4
Ashnault #5
Rodriques #6
149
Sorenson #1
Tsirtsis #2
Pantaleo #3
Hunter #4
Beitz #5
Arthur #6
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Martinez #1
Ness #2
Green #3
Murphy #4
Demas #5
Alton #6
Welch #7
Perotti #8
Kelly #9
165
B. Jordan #1
I. Jordan #2
Walsh #3
Harger #4
Morse #5
Massa #6
Hammond #7
Wanzek #8
174
Kokesh #1
Brown #2
Evans #3
Stroley #4
Brunson #5
Martin #6
Jackson #7
184
Aboundaer #1
Brooks #2
Courts #3
Pfarr #4
Dudley #5
McCutheon #6
Robertson #7
197
Snyder #1
McIntosh #2
Schiller #3
Burak #4
Huntley #5
Studebaker #6
McCall #7
Atwood #8
Polizzi #9
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Medberry #1
McMullan #2
Telford #3
Coon #4
Lawson #5
Tavanello #6
Myers #7
Kroells #8
Smith #9
Jensen #10
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Discussion Topic: Big Tens
Mark Niemann added to this discussion on February 23, 2015
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When are the allotments released.
149 is going to be quite important.
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Discussion Topic: Big Tens
Bob Preusse added to this discussion on February 23, 2015
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Quote from William Danforth's post:
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Quote from James Kessen's post:
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"I was curious on how they do the seeding. Is it based off last years results or based off of this years?
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Coaches vote/ranking determine seeds."
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not quite true -- rankings are Not supposed to be a factor. Last seasons record Not supposed to factor either. Rather THIS SEASONS big ten conference records are the main criteria. Furthermore:
...Seeds are based only on the head coaches votes.
...The big ten sends to each head coach every big ten conference teams record so coaches can use that info.
...Every head coach submits a ballot.
...No secret ballots. Every coach gets to see every submitted ballot.
...Theres a pre-seed several days before big tens that can be appealed. Each head coach with a complaint gets to make his case. A revote can then occur if the appeal has merit. This is not often done. Pre-seed usually stands.
This indicates to me no seed for Hunter if he wrestles. ...s/BobP
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Discussion Topic: Big Tens
Mark Niemann added to this discussion on February 23, 2015
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James: I'll most likely edit this post a few times as a read through your list of names.
125: I'm sure there is a reason you have NaTo in front of Delgado (ILL) - is that due to record?
133: Good nightthat is a deep class. One cannot afford a slip up on Saturday morning. (And since I'm a homer, I'll list the "one" as Johnni.)
141: I wonder if Dardanes (MINN) will change his plan of attack. (My guess is that if he does, it could open things up for Logan, but again, I'm a homer.) And if Gibbons and Johnson call that kid Jevva one more time, I'm going to hunt them down!
149: Impressive. I hope Hunter's been attacking his lungs.
157: I tihnk this weight class will be worth the price of admission!!! Lights out across the board with wrestlers who can bring it! (Demas and Alton have shown flashes; just less consistency than the other top guys.)
165: Walsh (IND) - the Enigma. Pins a guy one day, gets TECHED the next time they wrestle.
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Discussion Topic: Big Tens
Sean Koran added to this discussion on February 23, 2015
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Based on those criteria Hunter should still be seeded.
The only facts to be considered should be:
1. Hunter is injured, thus why he wrestled almost no matches.
2. Hunter, while clearly still injured and lacking fitness, nearly defeated Sorenson.
3. Hunter, while still injured and lacking fitness, defeated Beitz rather easily.
I think James has him in the right spot.
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Discussion Topic: Big Tens
Hank Kornblut added to this discussion on February 23, 2015
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Taylor Massa, Michigan, wrestled 174 his last match then missed his next one. Don't see how he can go 165 and I think he's injured. I just don't know how badly.
133 in Big Tens if very tough.
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Discussion Topic: Big Tens
Pat Altvater added to this discussion on February 23, 2015
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Quote from Bob Preusse's post:
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This indicates to me no seed for Hunter if he wrestles. ...s/BobP"
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'EEE DON'TTTT NEEEED NO SCHTINKING SEEEEED!!!!
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Discussion Topic: Big Tens
Bob Preusse added to this discussion on February 23, 2015
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Quote from Sean Koran's post:
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"Based on those criteria Hunter should still be seeded.
I think James has him in the right spot."
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good points Sean, will be interesting to see how 13 other big ten coaches handle this situation.
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Discussion Topic: Big Tens
Jim Kessen added to this discussion on February 23, 2015
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[quote="Bob Preusse"]
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Quote from Sean Koran's post:
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"Based on those criteria Hunter should still be seeded.
I think James has him in the right spot."
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good points Sean, will be interesting to see how 13 other big ten coaches handle this situation.[/quote
If Hunter isn't seeded then wouldn't the same apply to Delgado?
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Discussion Topic: Big Tens
William Danforth added to this discussion on February 23, 2015
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Quote from Bob Preusse's post:
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Quote from William Danforth's post:
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Quote from James Kessen's post:
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"I was curious on how they do the seeding. Is it based off last years results or based off of this years?
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Coaches vote/ranking determine seeds."
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not quite true -- rankings are Not supposed to be a factor. Last seasons record Not supposed to factor either. Rather THIS SEASONS big ten conference records are the main criteria. Furthermore:
...Seeds are based only on the head coaches votes.
...The big ten sends to each head coach every big ten conference teams record so coaches can use that info.
...Every head coach submits a ballot.
...No secret ballots. Every coach gets to see every submitted ballot.
...Theres a pre-seed several days before big tens that can be appealed. Each head coach with a complaint gets to make his case. A revote can then occur if the appeal has merit. This is not often done. Pre-seed usually stands.
This indicates to me no seed for Hunter if he wrestles. ...s/BobP"
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I didn't mean national ranking. You summed up what I was trying to imply.
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Discussion Topic: Big Tens
Patrick Campbell added to this discussion on February 23, 2015
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Quote from James Kessen's post:
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" ....Questions, Comments Snide remarks.
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That is the last slide of every lecture I do. I welcome the snide remark and rarely do I get one. People are no fun anymore!
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