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Discussion Topic: Ohio's All Time College Team
Mark Niemann added to this discussion on March 1, 2011
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@ Patrick: That one made me laugh out loud. Which made my wife and kids wonder what I was looking at.
@ Ben: Let's go Ben!!! COme on, I know you can do it!!! (Thought you might like a little encouragement!)
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Discussion Topic: Ohio's All Time College Team
Rex Holman added to this discussion on March 2, 2011
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Schyck was a two-time AA 92-5th, 93-7th
Nutter was a 1x 96-7th
Becks was a 1x 96-2nd
Schyck lost to Markus Mollica in the quarters his senior year. Mollica beat Josh Robbins in an all Ohio finals if I recall correctly.
Nutter was excellent when his confidence was brewing. He had strong J.D. Bergman like hips, maybe not quite as athletic. In '96 @NCAA tournament he lost in the second round to eventual runner-up Justin Harty in a shoot out that ended in OT. Everything about the match was awesome minus the outcome. In his Rd of 12 match he wrestled Seth Brady from Illinois who beat him earlier in the year. Brady tried to knee tap him and as Nutter was stumbling backwards and getting his footing, he was loading Brady up and getting his clinch. He threw and pinned him. Afterward, he said he squeezed so hard that he nearly passed out. Nutter was Rd of 12 his senior year and lost to the Lehigh wrestler. He was hampered by a knee injury all year and it affected his confidence and conditioning.
Becks became the wrestler he was capable of his senior season. Up until that point is it was a lot of trial and error, heavier on the error.
Mark Kerr would have to be mentioned on the list as he was very good and beat me my junior year in the semis. It was a battle which I have on VHS. You can't afford to make mistakes at that level otherwise you lose.
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Discussion Topic: Ohio's All Time College Team
Hank Kornblut added to this discussion on March 2, 2011
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Back to my point. Based on info provided by Rex, of the last 20 wrestlers to earn AA honors for Ohio State, 16 were multiple AA's (I didn't check to see if I was missing anyone but assume it's pretty accurate. I didn't include Triggas because he's still in school).
And of 21 St Eds wrestlers to earn D1 AA honors in college, 17 did it more than once.
That's astonishing to me. In two separate samples, 80% of the AA's were on the stand more than once. Most people probably assume that AA honors are commonly earned only one time.
If you want to win bets, go to nationals and argue that it's rarer to earn AA honors only one time than on multiple occasions. Plenty of people will wager. You can walk out of a bar with a few hundred dollars.
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Discussion Topic: Ohio's All Time College Team
Ben Golden added to this discussion on March 2, 2011
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Ok Mark, you motivated me. D1CollegeWrestling.net has all the multiple champs listed:
4X NCAA Champions:
1 Cael Sanderson (Iowa State) 1999-2002
2 Pat Smith (Oklahoma State) 1990-1992, 1994
3x NCAA Champions:
1Jake Rosholt (Oklahoma State) 2003, 2005-2006
2Greg Jones (West Virginia) 2002, 2004-2005
3Stephen Abas (Fresno State) 1999, 2001-2002
4Eric Guerrero (Oklahoma State) 1997-1999
5Joe Williams (Iowa) 1996-1998
6Lincoln McIlravy (Iowa) 1993-1994, 1997
7TJ Jaworsky (North Carolina) 1993-1995
8Tom Brands (Iowa) 1990-1992
9Carlton Haselrig (Pittsburgh-Johnstown) 1987-1989
10Ricky Bonomo (Bloomsburg) 1985-1987
11Barry Davis (Iowa) 1982-1983, 1985
12Jim Zalesky (Iowa) 1982-1984
13Nate Carr (Iowa State) 1981-1983
14Mark Schultz (Oklahoma) 1981-1983
15Ed Banach (Iowa) 1980-1981, 1983
16Mark Churella (Michigan) 1977-1979
17Lee Kemp (Wisconsin) 1976-1978
18Jimmy Jackson (Oklahoma State) 1976-1978
19Greg Johnson (Michigan State) 1970-1972
20Mike Caruso (Lehigh) 1965-1967
21Yojiro Uetake (Oklahoma State) 1964-1966
22Gray Simons (Lock Haven) 1960-1962
23Larry Hayes (Iowa State) 1959-1961
2x NCAA Champions:
1Brent Metcalf (Iowa) 2008, 2010
2Jake Varner (Iowa State) 2009-2010
3J Jaggers (Ohio State) 2008-2009
4Jake Herbert (Northwestern) 2007, 2009
5Mark Perry (Iowa) 2007-2008
6Matt Valenti (Pennsylvania) 2006-2007
7Ben Askren (Missouri) 2006-2007
8Cole Konrad (Minnesota) 2006-2007
9Joe Dubuque (Indiana) 2005-2006
10Johny Hendricks (Oklahoma State) 2005-2006
11Travis Lee (Cornell) 2003, 2005
12Teyon Ware (Oklahoma) 2003, 2005
13Ryan Bertin (Michigan) 2003, 2005
14Chris Pendleton (Oklahoma State) 2004-2005
15Steve Mocco (Oklahoma State) 2003, 2005
16Damion Hahn (Minnesota) 2003-2004
17Tommy Rowlands (Ohio State) 2002, 2004
18Johnny Thompson (Oklahoma State) 2002-2003
19Eric Juergens (Iowa) 2000-2001
20TJ Williams (Iowa) 1999, 2001
21Donny Pritzlaff (Wisconsin) 2000-2001
22Tim Hartung (Minnesota) 1998-1999
23Stephen Neal (Cal-State Bakersfield) 1998-1999
24Mark Ironside (Iowa) 1997-1998
25Jeff McGinness (Iowa) 1995, 1998
26Cary Kolat (Lock Haven) 1996-1997
27Mark Branch (Oklahoma State) 1994, 1997
28Kerry McCoy (Penn State) 1994, 1997
29Les Gutches (Oregon State) 1995-1996
30Markus Mollica (Arizona State) 1993, 1995
31Sammie Henson (Clemson) 1993-1994
32Kevin Randleman (Ohio State) 1992-1993
33Jeff Prescott (Penn State) 1991-1992
34Terry Brands (Iowa) 1990, 1992
35Matt DeMaray (Wisconsin) 1991-1992
36Kurt Angle (Clarion) 1990, 1992
37Dan St. John (Arizona State) 1989-1990
38Chris Barnes (Oklahoma State) 1989-1990
39Jack Cuvo (East Stroudsburg) 1988-1989
40Pat Santoro (Pittsburgh) 1988-1989
41Tim Krieger (Iowa State) 1987, 1989
42Eric Voelker (Iowa State) 1987, 1989
43John Smith (Oklahoma State) 1987-1988
44Royce Alger (Iowa) 1987-1988
45Jim Jordan (Wisconsin) 1985-1986
46Marty Kistler (Iowa State) 1985-1986
47Melvin Douglas (Oklahoma) 1985-1986
48Mike Sheets (Oklahoma State) 1983-1984
49Darryl Burley (Lehigh) 1979, 1983
50Lou Banach (Iowa) 1981, 1983
51Dan Cuestas (Cal-State Bakersfield) 1981-1982
52Andre Metzger (Oklahoma) 1981-1982
53Gene Mills (Syracuse) 1979, 1981
54Rick Stewart (Oklahoma State) 1980-1981
55Randy Lewis (Iowa) 1979-1980
56Dan Hicks (Oregon State) 1978-1979
57Mark Lieberman (Lehigh) 1978-1979
58Rod Kilgore (Oklahoma) 1974, 1977
59Chris Campbell (Iowa) 1976-1977
60Mike Frick (Lehigh) 1975-1976
61Chuck Yagla (Iowa) 1975-1976
62Pat Milkovich (Michigan State) 1972, 1974
63Jarrett Hubbard (Michigan) 1973-1974
64Greg Strobel (Oregon State) 1973-1974
65Wade Schalles (Clarion) 1972-1973
66Chris Taylor (Iowa State) 1972-1973
67Carl Adams (Iowa State) 1971-1972
68Andy Matter (Penn State) 1971-1972
69Ben Peterson (Iowa State) 1971-1972
70Darrell Keller (Oklahoma State) 1970-1971
71Geoff Baum (Oklahoma State) 1970-1971
72Dwayne Keller (Oklahoma State) 1968, 1970
73Mike Grant (Oklahoma) 1969-1970
74Jason Smith (Iowa State) 1969-1970
75Chuck Jean (Iowa State) 1969-1970
76Jess Lewis (Oregon State) 1969-1970
77David McGuire (Oklahoma) 1967, 1969
78Dan Gable (Iowa State) 1968-1969
79Dale Anderson (Michigan State) 1967-1968
80Dave Porter (Michigan) 1966, 1968
81Greg Ruth (Oklahoma) 1965-1966
82Tom Peckham (Iowa State) 1965-1966
83Jim Nance (Syracuse) 1963, 1965
84Dean Lahr (Colorado) 1963-1964
85Mickey Martin (Oklahoma) 1962-1963
86Mike Natvig (Army) 1962-1963
87Bob Johnson (Oklahoma State) 1961-1962
88Dale Lewis (Oklahoma) 1960-1961
89Stan Abel (Oklahoma) 1959-1960
90Les Anderson (Iowa State) 1958, 1960
91Ron Gray (Iowa State) 1958-1959
92Dick Beattie (Oklahoma State) 1958-1959
2 4xers + 23 3xers + 92 2xers =
117 Multiple NCAA Champs
104 4x AA's per D1CW, 106 per WrestlingStats.com
Myth Confirmed!
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Discussion Topic: Ohio's All Time College Team
Mark Niemann added to this discussion on March 2, 2011
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Wait! Which two are missing? Or, differently stated, which two were added?
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Discussion Topic: Ohio's All Time College Team
Ben Golden added to this discussion on March 2, 2011
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Quote from Mark Niemann's post:
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"Wait! Which two are missing? Or, differently stated, which two were added?"
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I don't know. I just know I got two different numbers counting the two sources. Maybe I miscounted, maybe not.
I wasn't motivated enough to double check.
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Discussion Topic: Ohio's All Time College Team
Tommy Rowlands added to this discussion on March 2, 2011
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Great stats!!! Thanks. Two things to consider:
Before 1972, you could not compete as a freshmen, so in all fairness, There are likely to be more "would be" 4x AA's from that era. It looks like there were 34 multiple NCAA Champions before 1972, so it is safe to assume that a good portion of them (and others) would have been 4x All-Americans.
Also, I think it was only top 6 that got AA until the late 70's-early 80's.
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Discussion Topic: Ohio's All Time College Team
Mark Niemann added to this discussion on March 2, 2011
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Nice work! Love this kind of stuff.
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Discussion Topic: Ohio's All Time College Team
Bill Watson added to this discussion on March 3, 2011
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This is why guys like myself read this forum. I was never more than an average wrestler, yet people like Rex,Tommy and Mitch can help us think at a higher level and educate youth to be ready to compete in a better manner.
I consider myself lucky to have you guys as assets, appreciative to learn from your experiences and most importantly glad to talk to people who don't care much for basketball.
That said, Tommy if you had to list your wrestling accomplishments in order of what you thought was more impressive, what would be number one?
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Discussion Topic: Ohio's All Time College Team
Brad Proudfoot added to this discussion on March 3, 2011
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Quote from Bill Watson's post:
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That said, Tommy if you had to list your wrestling accomplishments in order of what you thought was more impressive, what would be number one?"
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Bill, I have had similar questions on my mind for Tommy, Rex, Mitch, and the like. Anyone that has risen to the top of their respective career field will have a number of great accomplishments whether that field is the law, academia, medicine, or the sport of wrestling.
As I said, my questions are slightly different from what Bill is asking. What accomplishment do you remember most fondly? Was it that first tournament win as a youth, a state title, an NCAA title, or something else? I think that a question like this always gives insight into the make-up of a top level competitor.
I am asking because I know that many young wrestlers read this board, and your respective answers may provide them with a new or slightly different outlook on the progression on their own wrestling careers. With that being said, my next question may also be of interest to the youngsters that read this message board. At what point in your career did you begin to realize that you could reach the heights that you have in wrestling?
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