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► Add to the Discussion Page 1, 2  Next Discussion Topic: OHSAA weighs in on "public vs. private" Leo Zimmer added to this discussion on January 13, 2011 http://www.jjhuddle.com/news/articles/2011/1/13/ohsaa-accepts-proposal-public-vs-private-solution-will-be-put-to-vote-in-may        Discussion Topic: OHSAA weighs in on "public vs. private" Hank Kornblut added to this discussion on January 13, 2011 Interesting. I'm glad they're committed to solving this problem without splitting public and private. They're actually thinking creatively about how to address this issue.        Discussion Topic: OHSAA weighs in on "public vs. private" Rick Wasmer added to this discussion on January 13, 2011 The way I read it, it doesn't seem to solve anything. They admit they don't intend to seperate the public and non public schools. And even applying the new factors in the athletic count, they admit there is no division above div 1 to put schools. So if they are div 1 they are still div 1. Also it doesn't apply to wrestling, at least in the beginning, according to the article.        Discussion Topic: OHSAA weighs in on "public vs. private" Anthony Windsor II added to this discussion on January 14, 2011 I don't think it's really solving anything at all. All it really does is put Private Schools in a higher division than they would normally be and effectively moving larger public schools into lower divisions.        Discussion Topic: OHSAA weighs in on "public vs. private" Chris Shepherd added to this discussion on January 15, 2011 I'd be interested to see the actual formula that they will be using applied to a specific school's numbers to provide an example of how the change may affect a school's "athletic count". Some of the ideas proposed could really leverage a change. But the article doesn't really discuss specific multipliers and leaves these changes kind of ambiguous or vague. Are we talking about enrollment counts dropping or raising by 1 or 2 students or by truly moving schools up or down a division?        Discussion Topic: OHSAA weighs in on "public vs. private" Michael Rodriguez added to this discussion on January 15, 2011 I've got a proposal. One Division, 32-man Bracket, top eight All-Ohio.        Discussion Topic: OHSAA weighs in on "public vs. private" Anthony Windsor II added to this discussion on January 15, 2011 Quote from Michael Rodriguez's post: "I've got a proposal. One Division, 32-man Bracket, top eight All-Ohio." I could go for that. How many other states imploy a single-division bracket?        Discussion Topic: OHSAA weighs in on "public vs. private" Doug Brandt added to this discussion on January 16, 2011 Quote from Anthony Windsor II's post: " Quote from Michael Rodriguez's post: "I've got a proposal. One Division, 32-man Bracket, top eight All-Ohio." I could go for that. How many other states imploy a single-division bracket?" I found this posting from August 2010 on www.hswrestling.net: Boys Alabama - 3 Alaska - 2 Arizona - 4 California - 1 Colorado - 4 Connecticut - 4 Delaware - 1 Florida - 3 Georgia - 5 Hawaii - 1 Idaho - 4 Illinois - 2 Indiana - 1 Iowa - 3 Kansas - 4 Kentucky - 1 Louisiana - 3 Maine - 3 Maryland - 2 Massachusetts - 3 Michigan - 4 Minnesota - 3 Missouri - 4 Montana - 3 Nebraska - 4 Nevada - 3 New Hampshire - 2 New Jersey - 1 New Mexico - 3 New York - 2 North Carolina - 3 North Dakota - 2 Ohio - 3 Oklahoma - 4 Oregon - 3 Pennsylvania - 2 Rhode Island - 1 South Carolina - 3 South Dakota - 2 Tennessee - 2 Texas - 1 Utah - 5 Vermont - 1 Virginia - 3 Washington - 5 West Virginia - 2 Wisconsin - 3 Wyoming - 3 Girls Hawaii - 1 Texas - 1 Washington - 1        Discussion Topic: OHSAA weighs in on "public vs. private" Ben Golden added to this discussion on January 16, 2011 Quote from Michael Rodriguez's post: "I've got a proposal. One Division, 32-man Bracket, top eight All-Ohio." I think it would even be fine to have it be 48 or 64-man. That way you aren't cutting anyone out of making the state tournament. Either way, that would be such an awesome tournament.        Discussion Topic: OHSAA weighs in on "public vs. private" Anthony Windsor II added to this discussion on January 16, 2011 Quote from Doug Brandt's post: " Quote from Anthony Windsor II's post: " Quote from Michael Rodriguez's post: "I've got a proposal. One Division, 32-man Bracket, top eight All-Ohio." I could go for that. How many other states imploy a single-division bracket?" I found this posting from August 2010 on www.hswrestling.net: Boys Alabama - 3 Alaska - 2 Arizona - 4 California - 1 Colorado - 4 Connecticut - 4 Delaware - 1 Florida - 3 Georgia - 5 Hawaii - 1 Idaho - 4 Illinois - 2 Indiana - 1 Iowa - 3 Kansas - 4 Kentucky - 1 Louisiana - 3 Maine - 3 Maryland - 2 Massachusetts - 3 Michigan - 4 Minnesota - 3 Missouri - 4 Montana - 3 Nebraska - 4 Nevada - 3 New Hampshire - 2 New Jersey - 1 New Mexico - 3 New York - 2 North Carolina - 3 North Dakota - 2 Ohio - 3 Oklahoma - 4 Oregon - 3 Pennsylvania - 2 Rhode Island - 1 South Carolina - 3 South Dakota - 2 Tennessee - 2 Texas - 1 Utah - 5 Vermont - 1 Virginia - 3 Washington - 5 West Virginia - 2 Wisconsin - 3 Wyoming - 3 Girls Hawaii - 1 Texas - 1 Washington - 1" Looks like California and Texas are the only large states that have a single-division brackett. I think we're fine where we are at three. The only thing a single-division bracket would do is please some of the fans.        Discussion Topic: OHSAA weighs in on "public vs. private" Michael Rodriguez added to this discussion on January 16, 2011 Quote from Anthony Windsor II's post: "Looks like California and Texas are the only large states that have a single-division brackett. I think we're fine where we are at three. The only thing a single-division bracket would do is please some of the fans." ...and crown one true champion per weight class.        Discussion Topic: OHSAA weighs in on "public vs. private" Gary Sommers added to this discussion on January 16, 2011 Quote from Ben Golden's post: " Quote from Michael Rodriguez's post: "I've got a proposal. One Division, 32-man Bracket, top eight All-Ohio." I think it would even be fine to have it be 48 or 64-man. That way you aren't cutting anyone out of making the state tournament. Either way, that would be such an awesome tournament." 32-man brackets would be plenty. That is 448 kids who get to go to states, probably far more than in just about any other sport except football. That is well more than enough. Make sure getting to states means something, and doesn't fall victim to the t-ball, everyone gets a participation ribbon mentality.        Discussion Topic: OHSAA weighs in on "public vs. private" Matt Bonner added to this discussion on January 16, 2011 Texas seperates public and private schools.        Discussion Topic: OHSAA weighs in on "public vs. private" Chris Shepherd added to this discussion on January 16, 2011 The number of divisions a state has is not indicative of how tough their state tournament is. How many teams are in all of those states per division? Kentucky might be a single division but there are only like 90 high schools that offer wrestling. We have 2x more than that in any single division!        Discussion Topic: OHSAA weighs in on "public vs. private" Ethan Moore added to this discussion on January 16, 2011 3 divisions is just fine and a fair representation of athletes from schools of all sizes. I am curious how they will quantify the effect of socioeconomics and athletic tradition, and how those findings will justify division changes. In Illinois they use a multiplier for non-public schools and it seems to works well. The public vs. private debate changed when open enrollment was put into play. In addition, with the modern parent willing to move families across the county/state/country to improve athletic opportunity for their children, perhaps it is best to leave well-enough alone.        ► Add to the Discussion Page 1, 2  Next