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Discussion Topic: Proposed rules changes for NFHS
Fred Feeney added to this discussion on April 6, 2010
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Discussion Topic: Proposed rules changes for NFHS
Bob Preusse added to this discussion on April 6, 2010
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feedback im getting, coaches hate this new high school set-set rule in the referees start position top/bottom-- coaches say it has caused alot of cautions, that its unnecessary. Any comments ?
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Discussion Topic: Proposed rules changes for NFHS
Michael Rodriguez added to this discussion on April 6, 2010
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Discussion Topic: Proposed rules changes for NFHS
Mark Niemann added to this discussion on April 6, 2010
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Amen!
If they (the officials) had done it right in the first place (followed the old rule of setting), there would be no need for a second rule.
...and I like refs!!!
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Discussion Topic: Proposed rules changes for NFHS
Fred Feeney added to this discussion on April 6, 2010
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The set/set rule should of lessened the cautions but instead it increased them...why?
Simple.
With the set/set, there doesn't need to be a sequence in the set up. If the referee tells the bottom guy or top guy he is set...what's it matter how they got there?
The cautions are due to improper sequence versus false starts.
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Discussion Topic: Proposed rules changes for NFHS
Bob Preusse added to this discussion on April 6, 2010
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Fred,
this new rule very unpopular-- maybe misunderstood-- i want to discuss it in the season end review in AWN---- can you email me exactly how the old sequence was and exactly how the new sequence is, with your opinion on why its causing problems.
i'm not an officiating expert, i will quote you. BobP ohiobobp@aol.com
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Discussion Topic: Proposed rules changes for NFHS
Fred Feeney added to this discussion on April 6, 2010
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Discussion Topic: Proposed rules changes for NFHS
Mark Niemann added to this discussion on April 7, 2010
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Discussion Topic: Proposed rules changes for NFHS
Fred Feeney added to this discussion on April 19, 2010
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Look for a major change in this rule...it will be announced soon...after approval
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Discussion Topic: Proposed rules changes for NFHS
Kevin Petrella added to this discussion on April 20, 2010
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Fred, what one?
Referee starting position?
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Discussion Topic: Proposed rules changes for NFHS
Bob Preusse added to this discussion on April 20, 2010
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excerpt from May issue of AWN:
Rules Issues: Set-Set Controversy
This reporter has received comments mainly regarding one rules issue: the new new “set-set” rule on the referees top and bottom start that coaches think has caused way too many caution calls. Veteran head coach Steve Powell of Easton Pennsylvania tells me, “Cautions probably could be eliminated by putting the hand on the elbow last; who cares about the head or belly order. If rules committee wants enforce no hooking the elbow or moving the bottom man, pause, blow the whistle when they are both set. Make no hand motions, say nothing other than set for bottom man: on for top man – Pause, blow the whistle.”
Mike Schadwinkel, head coach at No. 27 Grand Island Nebraka “felt that the number of cautions in the top/bottom position was enough that it slowed matches down and wasted a lot of time. The idea behind setting the wrestlers is a good idea, I just feel that either using the progression or saying set prior to the whistle is too much. I think the
problem of a rolling start is solved by saying set or by using the progression, not necessarily both.”
Head coach Jeff Sweigard of No. 9 ranked Central Dauphin Pennsyvlania tells me, “However they need to eliminate that nonsense of the sequence start from the referees position. The Dapper Dan did not have one caution the entire dual(s) and it had no bearing on the outcome of any of the individual matches. Bottom man set, top man on, wrestle!”
Veteran Ohio official Fred Feeney explains it this way, “When the bottom guy is set, the referee will tell him he is set, then order the top guy to cover. When he is in the proper position, and he must follow the proper sequence, the referee will then say set and then blow the whistle. Prior years the referee just told the bottom guy to set himself then told him not to move; then told the top guy to cover. Problem is there were lots and lots of rolling starts. The NCAA and the NFHS really wanted to stop the rolling starts so they implemented this new sequence rule. Problem is.they have caused another bigger problem, more cautions.”
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Discussion Topic: Proposed rules changes for NFHS
Dom Mancini added to this discussion on April 23, 2010
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The weight classes ended up staying the same.
No sequence for top wrestler.
No more naked weigh ins for boys.
If sign or symptom of concussion - out of competing - no more have to be rendered unconsious.
Rear Standing double knee kick back is now illegal
Most significant is the concussion rule - if you get your bell rung in a match that may be it!
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Discussion Topic: Proposed rules changes for NFHS
Christopher Henderson added to this discussion on April 23, 2010
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What is the "Double knee kick back"? It sounds like an awesome move! Hopefully, it's still legal in college wrestling.
Does anyone have a link to some footage of this mysterious wrestling move?
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Discussion Topic: Proposed rules changes for NFHS
Dom Mancini added to this discussion on April 24, 2010
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from behind standing - you jump up and kick your feet behind your opponents knees pulling him backwards over top of you - Tony Jameson used to do this all the time.
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